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druk62

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just bought a used Fleetwood Yuma with 12 inch loadstar tires, the dealer said the air pressure was good it was set at 32lbs the tire shows that they need 80 lbs cold, is their a reason for the dealer to do this?


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Yes, he doesn't know what he's doing. Air them up to the maximum amount listed on the tire sidewall. ST tires are designed to only run at their maximum pressure.


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That dealer is an idiot.


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mike4947 wrote:

Yes, he doesn't know what he's doing. Air them up to the maximum amount listed on the tire sidewall. ST tires are designed to only run at their maximum pressure.


Yes the dealer is very un-informed. But Mike, you are slightly off base with your broad statement of ST tires and maximum inflation.

ST tires are designed to handle maximum load at maximum inflation, but no where is there a tried and true "rule" that ALL (or any for that matter) ST tires are only designed to run at maximum. if that were the case then we could feasibly have another Ford/Firestone problem on our hands and tire manufacturers would not want to bear that weight.

ST tires are designed to handle a specific load at a specific pressure. That's why in the other post on this subject there was a link to pressure vs. load. A tire manufacturer wouldn't print/publish that and hang their A** out on the line for no reason.

Here's the reason that most are run at maximum inflation: Because you and I as a consumer are usually too spaced off to check those pressures on a regular basis so....tire dealers inflated to the maximum because they know that average Joe will not check them and run with less pressure.

Oh, I have never worked at a RV dealership but I do feel qualified to answer this. Why? Well my next door neighbor is that regional startup/sales director for a larger tire chain here in the NW. AND....my BEST friend of 18 years, whom I would trust my life and my 3 year old son's life with when it comes to all things suspension/tires/brakes is the current owner of 3 tire stores and has been so since 1987.

Just trying to keep the statements unbiased.

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What highside says is true.
HOWEVER, run your 12" ST tires at their maximum.
The trailer manufactuers install the smallest, cheapest tire they can get. That includes installing tires that usually just make the weight capacity requirements.
Unless you can install larger tires with a higher load rating, run your ST tires at maximum pressure.


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Funny thing is just about all tire store/chain people deal almost exclusively with "P", "LT", and commercial grade tires. The rules for them and "ST" tires are different. Very few "tire people" even realize there are different load range for ST tires of the same size. I wish I had a dollar for ever wrong weight rated tire we found mounted on trailers and another for every low pressure valve stem (50 PSI maximum rating) installed on tires requiring 80 or 90 PSI.
Not to mention like it was posted OEM tires are at the limit of the trailer weight and as little as 5 PSI underinflated can cause failure.
The average person reads only what they want to see and that means they see you can run them below maximum and they stop reading. So unless you're going to do a LOT of homework and research just keep any ST tire at it's maximum cold inflation pressure.

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mike4947 wrote:

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Funny thing is just about all tire store/chain people deal almost exclusively with "P", "LT", and commercial grade tires. The rules for them and "ST" tires are different. Very few "tire people" even realize there are different load range for ST tires of the same size.


A rather broad statement for someone who is not in the tire business, isn't it? I'm not real sure if you're trying to justify your reasoning or backpedal in your previous statements and to a certain extent, I take those statements somewhat personally.

You of all people as being a Moderator, should know the power of throwing out very broad statements that are very likely unfounded. Using the terms "All" and "very few". If this is the case in your neck of the woods, I'd be very leary of buying tires from any dealer.

See, where I come from, the NW, there are twice as many trucks as there are cars. Many see offroad use, with a trailer or RV. If that "stuff" happened out here, that tire business would be "black flagged" reather quickly.


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I wish I had a dollar for ever wrong weight rated tire we found mounted on trailers and another for every low pressure valve stem (50 PSI maximum rating) installed on tires requiring 80 or 90 PSI.


I'm sure you're right, but with the cost of tires and the ability to order tires online for the last 10 years, I would venture a guess that quite a few of those tires(to me 20% is quite a few) were put on after they were brought in from the customer and mounted no questions asked or no info from the customer given. So until you know the full story on why those tires were mounted in the first place, that assumption cannot be made.

Incorrect valve stems... well if the owner manager had to check EVERY one of the tires mounts, he/she would never make any money. They are giving the responsible "tire changer" the means to properly do that. And just an FYI, it is more important to have a good quality valve stem over a high vs low pressure situation.

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Not to mention like it was posted OEM tires are at the limit of the trailer weight and as little as 5 PSI underinflated can cause failure
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That is a RV manufacturers boo boo for not putting the correct tire on the trailer and they should be ashamed if they are knowingly doing that. That is not a consumer faux pa. If I had a new PU and knew that they knowingly did that and I got into or caused an accident because of undersized tires. Well, someone would have to pay and it would be me or my insurance co.

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The average person reads only what they want to see and that means they see you can run them below maximum and they stop reading.


This is absolutely untrue. The mass public is ignorant and un-informed, not mis-informed or lazy. They don't know that it is in their best interest to run the "proper" inflation for their situation. They see the word "MAXIMUM" with pressure behind it. Don't assume people are intentionally being lazy or thoughless. Did you know that a tire can change pressure 2-7lbs in a day depending where the tire is in relation to the sun or temp. Nobody can keep their tires at the "correct" pressure all of the time. You'd have to check them every day.


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highside wrote:

Nobody can keep their tires at the "correct" pressure all of the time. You'd have to check them every day.


EXACTLY Rob. AND that is what a safety-minded camper does. When you're on the road, you check your tire pressure each morning before headin' out, and you take your portable air compressor and you add what needs to be added so that you're at max cold pressure.

To the original poster. Listen to Mike and the others who've said basically the same thing. Keep 'em inflated to the max. pressure cold. It's the safest thing to do. Not sure what Rob's issue is.


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Rob, Like Stumbs I'm not sure what the underlying problem is. However, just as you are willing to trust the life of your 3 year old son to the suspension/tires/brakes advice your best friend gives you, I'm willing to trust my 2 year grand baby life to the folding trailer advice that Mike gives on the forum. His advice is always solid as a rock. Many times it is based on mistakes he has made and what pleases me is that he is always willing to share the experiences he has gained along the way.

Please don't get me wrong... I value different opinions and there have been times when after listening to the thoughts of others I've had to admit that my opinion was wrong.

However, one thing I've learned in this and other forums is that it is sometimes difficult to change some positions no matter what evidence or data you put on the table... and so at the end of the day everyone has to decided who to listen to and what decisions to make for themselves.

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